Turbo and Supercharger discussion
By riCewu
#192664 Alright I know the questions is asked all the time. Well here is my side of the story, I have loved the EG for years now and just recently started saving up for one. Not to mention I've gone through days of research and have stacks of notes on whats good and bad, what to get and not to get.

I'm currently unemployed and finishing high school, as well I'm getting my level 1 Auto Body repairman certificate by June 2010.

So I have a 2000 Accord coupe which I love, but that thing is a TANK, no doubt. What got me into the EG was this video of an EG w/ k20 swap. It just lured me towards the EG on the spot. Saddest part yet, my parents won't let me drive anything over 10 years old. I told them I wanted a '92 Si Hatch, because I was born in '92 LOL!

Now I have enough to pick one up either the EX or Si model with the d16z6 motor. I have read a lot, except I'm not really performance mod friendly at the moment. I know some, but not a whole lot.

I read a lot of stories about people boosting the z6's and read a lot about their usability and durability. I know that most of you will ask me for my goals so here are my goals, and also my question is how would I go about it, including parts and maybe prices of possible, best places to purchase a turbo. I plan on piecing most of the turbo together myself.

Goals:
- 300 WHP / not sure about torque
- Daily driven with some track days here and there and maybe a few pulls on the drag strip if I get a chance.
- For sure will be having a heavy foot on the pedal.

Money isn't really an issue at the moment, I'm getting a job as a bodyman soon anyways. I am looking for budget QUALITY parts.

I read a lot about T3 and T4 turbos, not sure whats the difference. Like I'm looking for a decent quality built turbo that can withstand at least a bit more than the 300 hp i want just so I'm more secure about that.

Anyways I'm just looking for a parts list or some info before I get on this project. It will all be done in my backyard.
Pistons and Rods and the boring part is complicated. I read that I can bore my cylinders larger then the pistons or something because pistons expands when hot and like it will also produce more power. Am I right? I don't know.

Goals: ABOVE.

Needs: Parts, Prices, Tips, Information, Websites, Sellers, Specifications, Measurements, PICTURES!

How many ports does a turbo have? Like the openings that runs to different components, like the part that sucks in air... I've seen people put on a filter. Umm down pipe is jsut a pipe that is bolted on to the turbo and goes down to the cat..exhaust right? Turbo is bolted to a turbo manifold which replaces the stock header. then there is like one more port that I don't know what to do with, I'm assuming a hose or something is supposed to connect to that then connect to the intercooler?

Also the intercooler has like two openings right? one side for turbo? other side for intake manifold?

If you all can help me fulfill my dreams I can finally stop having nightmares that my dad bought an EG for my brother. :x




For those who will say, "SEARCH". I've done that, did multiple searchs went through over 100 pages looking at all information, collected a bunch, now I just need a build to fit it all together. I also read over the d16z6 build setup, but those pictures were confusing me with all that cutting and bending and aligning and disassembling and assembling. Like really? I just want something that I can bolt right on and not have to keep modding. I will do it, but like it was just that one DIY that really confused the hell out of me. It didn't make sense for some reason.

Sorry for the long post, might as well give you all the information and researches I've done now, rather than later on.
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By teal_dx
#192753 I would go the easy route and buy a turbo kit. There are ebay kits, some decent, some junk. Or there are more expensive kits by Edelbrock, Turbonetics, Greddy...
typically you will spend more money on one of these kits to make the same power you would make if you were to research, learn and piece together your own kit. But as you know, that can get complicated.
By AutoXCivic
#192791 I know I keep plugging these guys but seriously for the money you can't go wrong with http://www.go-autoworks.com. Greg is great and if you send him a message he's usually more than happy to answer any questions you have. The kits are all very high quality and made to order. He'll definitely be able to help you figure out what exactly you will need to achieve your goals.

I had a very positive experience with him, I bought an intercooler and piping kit from him and I'm very happy with the quality. He didn't try to push more stuff on me, which I thought was great ... pushy salesmen piss me off ... and was very helpful and knowledgeable.

I know a bunch of people who have gotten their turbo kits, and other parts from him, and I hear nothing but good things.
By riCewu
#192811 thanks for the information and tips.

I don't mind an ebay turbo kit, but through research people say if one does go with an ebay kit, you should change the intercooler because they are not good quality and are known to crack? lol also if I do get a kit off ebay most of the components will be changed: intercooler, bov, wastegate, turbo manifold, and possibly the turbo itself.

What do you guys think about this? http://cgi.ebay.ca/92-95-93-94-HONDA-CIVIC-B-CAST-T3T4-TURBO-CHARGER-KIT-/110528310695?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bc002da7

For the price seems okay. What would you recommend to change?

I'm also thinking its best to rebuild engine with performance or at least better than the stock internals, before I go about turbo.
By AutoXCivic
#192814 Well for starters ... grab one with a d-series exhaust manifold, unless you have a B swapped into your car. You will probably need to run an oil restrictor to keep the seals on the turbo in good shape, or get a rebuild kit. I've also heard that e-bay turbos sometimes need to have the shafts balanced, so you might just want to rebuild it out of the box.


But seriously you said you wanted to save and buy quality parts ... why on earth are you even considering this kit. There are some good high quality kits available ... yes they are more expensive, but you've got to pay to play.

Just remember the boost mantra:

Fast, reliable, cheap ... pick two.

Cheap and reliable isn't fast
Fast and reliable isn't cheap
Cheap and fast isn't reliable

Seriously if you want an inexpensive kit ... go with go-autoworks, the tuner kit is only about $2K (yes that is inexpensive) and will get you into the 300 - 350 whp range.

You can peice together a kit for cheaper, but as far as getting a high quality complete kit, you aren't going to find anything much cheaper than that. And then there's supporting mods to consider as well. Boost is a slippery, expensive slope ... are you sure you are ready to climb it?
By riCewu
#192860
AutoXCivic wrote:Well for starters ... grab one with a d-series exhaust manifold, unless you have a B swapped into your car. You will probably need to run an oil restrictor to keep the seals on the turbo in good shape, or get a rebuild kit. I've also heard that e-bay turbos sometimes need to have the shafts balanced, so you might just want to rebuild it out of the box.


But seriously you said you wanted to save and buy quality parts ... why on earth are you even considering this kit. There are some good high quality kits available ... yes they are more expensive, but you've got to pay to play.

Just remember the boost mantra:

Fast, reliable, cheap ... pick two.

Cheap and reliable isn't fast
Fast and reliable isn't cheap
Cheap and fast isn't reliable

Seriously if you want an inexpensive kit ... go with go-autoworks, the tuner kit is only about $2K (yes that is inexpensive) and will get you into the 300 - 350 whp range.

You can peice together a kit for cheaper, but as far as getting a high quality complete kit, you aren't going to find anything much cheaper than that. And then there's supporting mods to consider as well. Boost is a slippery, expensive slope ... are you sure you are ready to climb it?


I'm considering the climb. I've put together a small team that are willing to piece this together and we're all invest a bit to put it together. Lol! That was my bad on the b series kit, it was getting late for me and I wasn't sure what I was reading.

So you agree with the GO-AUTOWORKS.com? If so I might end up purchasing the tuner kit, but I'm confused about one thing. What is the trim and a/r? I've seen 60 trim with .60 a/r. If I'm correct it has something to do with the cylinders.

I do have plans on purchasing a kit, but slowly piecing in quality parts on. Say the exhaust mani isn't what I want or doesn't look that great of quality.. I'll upgrade to one people recommends or something.

So how does a turbo setup work? Just the turbo itself, it has the intake which most people put a cone filter on.. it has the downpipe/exhaust which is located otherside of the intake/cone filter.. it has the part that connects to the exhaust manifold.. now there is still one cylindrical tube outlet.. I can't seem so figure out where that goes.. I'm thinking intercooler lol
By AutoXCivic
#192863 Honestly research is your best friend. I would actually recommend going a buying a book on turbos/turbocharging ... Maximum Boost by Corky Bell, is a title that gets thrown around a lot and from what I hear it is the be all, end all book on boost. I got a watered down book that was very basic but still very informative.

As far as a quick and dirty intro to turbo systems check out the Turbo Tech section on this website http://www.turbobygarrett.com lots of good information in there.
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By teal_dx
#192866
riCewu wrote:So you agree with the GO-AUTOWORKS.com? If so I might end up purchasing the tuner kit, but I'm confused about one thing. What is the trim and a/r? I've seen 60 trim with .60 a/r. If I'm correct it has something to do with the cylinders.

So how does a turbo setup work? Just the turbo itself, it has the intake which most people put a cone filter on.. it has the downpipe/exhaust which is located otherside of the intake/cone filter.. it has the part that connects to the exhaust manifold.. now there is still one cylindrical tube outlet.. I can't seem so figure out where that goes.. I'm thinking intercooler lol


Ok... I can see you have yet to do any research.
You've got a lot of reading to do:

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... ch101.html

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... ch102.html

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... ch103.html

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... ation.html

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... /faqs.html

It's all in those 5 links... everything you'll need to know about turbos :thumb:
You don't need to memorize them all, but save them so you can reference them when you have a question :thumb:


edit: just notice that I got tree'd by AutoXCivic :lol:
By riCewu
#192904 Thanks for all the great help and info guys! I just got home from work and I asked one of the bosses and they said that if I want to borrow their shop to do the whole rebuild and turbo. So now I have even more people helping me. Great I will start reading those information from the links.

If anything that isn't answered on Garret then I'll just post the question here.
By riCewu
#192988 Thanks for the links really helped me understand a whole lot more to a turbo.

Just for that, here's what I've made up when I had some free time today lol..

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I'm hoping thats a little bit helpful to other noobs? Like me. lol!

Anyways I'm just wondering if that is like the basic concept?

I know that the down pipe isn't really one whole pipe that connects up right to the cat, but connects to another pipe that the cat is connected to. (worked on a cat before =O, bodyman here x]).
By AutoXCivic
#193008 That looks about right. The downpipe is generally a single pipe though, it usually bolts right up to the turbo exhaust housing.
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By teal_dx
#193024 I think you've got it :thumb:
You went from turbo noob to drawing a turbo setup in 1 day :woot:

One more thing about the downpipe, it should have a flex pipe section in it.

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This allows for the exhaust to expand when it gets super hot.

Next we're going to learn you on vacuum lines, boost controllers, fuel management and tuning :thumb:
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By elrompetoto
#193028
riCewu wrote:Thanks for the links really helped me understand a whole lot more to a turbo.

Just for that, here's what I've made up when I had some free time today lol..

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I'm hoping thats a little bit helpful to other noobs? Like me. lol!

Anyways I'm just wondering if that is like the basic concept?

I know that the down pipe isn't really one whole pipe that connects up right to the cat, but connects to another pipe that the cat is connected to. (worked on a cat before =O, bodyman here x]).


lmaooo omg i wish i had this a few years backkk
By daydreamer
#193278 you have the basics down...pretty cool schematic by the way,lol.....

as for your charge piping, I would minimize on the amount of couplers you use. try to make it one solid piece from throttle body to intercooler and from turbo to intercooler. sometimes thoe couplers cause a drop in pressure. the couplers are rubber, rubber expands.

I would turn the turbo towards the cam side where there is less heat being generated. catalytic converters and turbos dont get along. you might see the cat glowing red when you start going into boost. Is your turbo internal or externally wastegated?

how are you monitoring and tuning all of this? chipped ecu, full standalone, fuel hack (i mean afc)?

looks like you catch on pretty quick so keep researching for all the parts needed. theres a lot missing from your pic. good luck with the build.... :thumb: